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But in any case, your "experiment" simply demonstrates the part I already wrote in bold above. The very thin hull in your picture will become...

Guest Always stay logged in Register Home Forum Wiki Help Search Login Register The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding The Flat Earth Society Flat Earth Discussion Boards Flat Earth Theory The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding Print Actions Print Pages: < Back 1 [2] 3 4 ... 6 Next > Go Down Tom Bishop Zetetic Council Member 11332 Flat Earth Believer Logged Re: The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding « Reply #20 on: November 18, 2022, 12:15:55 AM » Quote from: AllAroundTheWorldBut in any case, your "experiment" simply demonstrates the part I already wrote in bold above. The very thin hull in your picture will become hard to resolve at a certain distance. And yes, in that case optical magnification could "restore" it. But the reason it can be "restored" is that it isn't hidden in the first place. It isn't behind anything, it just becomes difficult to discern at a certain distance.Which is exactly what Rowbotham is describing in Earth Not a Globe. When bodies are smaller than 1/60th of a degree they become lost to optical resolution, and are beyond perception. So, you were wrong. This effect does exist and it is reversible with optical zoom. secretagent10 Logged Re: The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding « Reply #21 on: November 18, 2022, 12:26:03 AM » Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 18, 2022, 12:15:55 AMThis effect does exist and it is reversible with optical zoom.Telescopes on earth can resolve images a tiny fraction of the ship’s apparent size.There are plenty of amateur images resolving Jupiter’s bands swirling, even its moons. This is extraordinarily smaller than making out a ship. With Jupiter, there is no geometric obstacle while with a ship there clearly is. That geometric obstacle would be the curvature of the earth. No amount of optical zoom will reverse a geometric obstruction. « Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 12:30:14 AM by secretagent10 » WTF_Seriously 1362 Nobody Important Logged Re: The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding « Reply #22 on: November 18, 2022, 12:28:41 AM » Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 18, 2022, 12:15:55 AMQuote from: AllAroundTheWorldBut in any case, your "experiment" simply demonstrates the part I already wrote in bold above. The very thin hull in your picture will become hard to resolve at a certain distance. And yes, in that case optical magnification could "restore" it. But the reason it can be "restored" is that it isn't hidden in the first place. It isn't behind anything, it just becomes difficult to discern at a certain distance.Which is exactly what Rowbotham is describing in Earth Not a Globe. When bodies are smaller than 1/60th of a degree they become lost to optical resolution, and are beyond perception. So, you were wrong. This effect does exist and it is reversible with optical zoom.It's not a matter of whether it exists, it's a matter of whether or not it explains what we see with objects going beyond the horizon. You know, that zetetic observation thingy. As has been clearly illustrated, Rowbotham's effect in no way illustrates what we actually observe. No amount of optical zoom can bring back the hidden parts of the objects. Quote from: Pete Svarrior on January 23, 2024, 11:21:47 PMI hope you understand we're maintaining a valuable resource here.... AATW 7251 Logged Re: The cosmos, confusion, and further understanding « Reply #23 on: November 18, 2022, 09:27:54 AM » Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 18, 2022, 12:15:55 AMQuote from: AllAroundTheWorldBut in any case, your "experiment" simply demonstrates the part I already wrote in bold above. The very thin hull in your picture will become hard to resolve at a certain distance. And yes, in that case optical magnification could "restore" it. But the reason it can be "restored" is that it isn't hidden in the first place. It isn't behind anything, it just becomes difficult to discern at a certain distance.Which is exactly what Rowbotham is describing in Earth Not a Globe. When bodies are smaller than 1/60th of a degree they become lost to optical resolution, and are beyond perception. So, you were wrong. This effect does exist and it is reversible with optical zoom.So Rowbotham's hot take is that as you get further away from things they get smaller and then at some point you can no longer see them?I mean...yeah, but that's not some breakthrough discovery. What was I wrong about? I said:Quote from: AllAroundTheWorld on November 11, 2022, 09:10:21 AM1) Ships, buildings and other distant landmarks disappear behind the horizon and do so increasingly with distance. They cannot be "restored" with optical resolution as Rowbotham claimedNote the word "behind". If an object is partially behind the horizon you can zoom in as much as you like, you're not going to restore the missing part. In my previous post I showed an image demonstrating that. But I went on to say, and this is the part you keep ignoring, even after I bolded it in my previous post:Quote from: AllAroundTheWo...